www.kropki.legion.pl

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Dots - an intellectual game that harmoniously combines mathematical analysis and spatial strategy.

"Sport Dots" is a large-scale project aimed at popularizing the game, its development as a full-fledged sports discipline, and the formation of a sustainable community of players, where it would be comfortable for those who just want to pass the time in a good company, and those who aspire to serious achievements.

In this topic, we will introduce you to the project and will periodically report important news about its development.

Volunteer · Dołączył: 16 Lis 2017 Posty: 65 Skąd: Russia

An international team works on the project. Technical support is provided by the Belarusian IT-company. The general concept is developed by well-known Russian and Ukrainian dots players. They are responsible for the sports component and work with the community.

The project started in July 2015 and now includes the following elements: information and gaming portal, forum, gaming applications in the largest social networks (Facebook, VK, OK), mobile gaming applications (Android, iOS), YouTube channel, communities in the largest social networks (Facebook, VK, OK, Twitter), public organization with state registration.

Volunteer · Dołączył: 16 Lis 2017 Posty: 65 Skąd: Russia

An article about the history of dots and the dots community was recently completed. The fifth part is mainly devoted to the development of the game in Poland. The author would be grateful for the indication of inaccuracies and additional information.

Re-posted here: https://tensu.ru/history-part-5/

zagram_org · Dołączył: 04 Lut 2013 Posty: 33

> Поляки же, которые последнее десятилетие культивируют на своих онлайн-ресурсах оригинальную реализацию игры на территорию, до этого, судя по рассказам очевидцев, практиковали в том числе и вполне себе «советскую классику» с произвольной траекторией окружения, домиками-ловушками и подсчетом точек. Наглядное тому подтверждение — сохранившиеся в интернете правила очного любительского турнира «Kropkoliga», который состоялся в мае 2007 года.

That I didn't completely understand neither in Russian nor in English.
I do not know what you mean by 'Soviet classics', but on Kropkoliga there are rules and these are territory rules, although it is not completely clear for me if these were 'territory' or 'old standard' rules of zagram (maybe the latter).

> Относительно авторов можем сказать только то, что одним из них был, вероятно, пользователь «Легиона» с никнеймом mastersx (игровой псевдоним kopper).
> Concerning the authors, we can only say that one of them was probably the user of the “Legion” with the nickname mastersx (game alias kopper).

The author of Szkrab had nickname kopper, but kopper != mastersx.

Concerning the history of Szkrab, this thread contains a lot of info:
http://www.kropki.legion.pl/kropki-na-szkrabie-mozna-juz-grac-t317.html

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senny_mojrzesz · Wysłany: Wto Gru 12, 2017 12:57 am Temat postu:

wow! you even found this guys Smile

http://www.kropki.legion.pl/viewtopic.php?t=364&highlight=kropkoliga

kibic 777 mantioned about them on forum, but we ware not connected with them. kibic saw few of them on szkrab we can check on eido.
I think they ware beaten like every school champion when started play on-line.
http://eidokropki.reaktywni.pl/games?q=kacze+wymioty&q2=&lang=en
http://eidokropki.reaktywni.pl/games?q=ziemniaksson&q2=&lang=en

oh yes I remember now something Smile

I think we was trying invide them to our league but they just was losing to much.

http://www.kropkoliga.w8w.pl nothing sayed about the rules of surrounding:
1)
auto-mark after surrounding (aka "standard rules" like on zagram) ?
or
2)
you can mark surrounding dots when you want? (aka without auto-surrounding aka territory rules) ?

http://joxi.ru/V2VDKdqhxZlOqr
oh yes! was few different rules. one of them was 1 penalty point (-1) if someone circled his own dot, if was a 5 own dots then -5 points etc.
I was palying like that in my school. I forgot to tell.

empty spaces inside the marked environment are never counted like a terrritory
when the dots have been closed with empty spaces before pressing button "finish the game by counting territory" then it is not counted as territory. these are only closed dots.

"territory rules" just started from simple "i will mark surrounded dots when I want or just if I must"

weaker or very young players usual was no thinking about build the trap houses (which are the territory aswel)
the screens from kropkoliga can't tell you about that was auto-mark of surrounding dots rules players or just low level of the territory rules players. Many games was just possibly finished by resignation.
"A clear proof" in this situation is to big "word"
my ended non auto-mark surrounding rules games was looks like screen from kropkoliga and i was usualy played for a penalty when someone marked surrounded own dot. when we was marking dots, we just mark them to use them as many we can, to not have a penalty point Smile

when we start playing online we just start playing better and We have begun to see more options which was build territory even from the start of the game, and we started play much more to the last move...
http://eidokropki.reaktywni.pl/index.phtml?lang=en#url:szkrab1558
or almost to the last move, (if no 15 dots advantage rule this game should be ended with score 18-44)
and because of the games was sometimes to long, we just started count, stright after when was no possibility to build or destroy more of territory.

territory counting is just shortest way to finish the game otherwise it would have to be much longer to put the dots in every empty space.

normal rule is we play to the last empty space on the board but thanks to the program, which calculates how it would end be, we do not have to use to much time for that.

if player 1 have a bigger territory than player 2, then of course in the end of the game, player 2 have no choise and he must move somewhere, and it's will be territory of the player 1, and if in the territory are some opponents dots then this will be closed like a normal encirclement in the end of the game.

pattern for manualy territory counting is:
(bigger territory) - (smaller territory) :2

a)
for example
player 1 = bigger territory 32 empty spaces, player 2 = smaller territory 26 empty spaces.

32 - 26 = 6and 6 : 2 = 3 and it's mean 3 opponent's dots in territory of the player 1
(simply counting but not working when the number of emty spaces is odd)

b)
for example
player 1 = bigger territory 33 empty spaces, player 2 = smaller territory 26 empty spaces.

33 - 26 = 7 and 7 : 2 = 3.5 and it's mean 3 or 4 opponen's dots in the territory of the player 1

how many then 3 or 4?
it's depend which player will move first in the opponent terrytory.

if just 7 empty spaces left on the board, and this is player 1 territory, and now is the turn of the player 2, then in the end of the game will be 4 opponent's dots in the territory of the player 1.

if just 7 empty spaces left on the board, and this is player 1 territory, and now is the turn of the player 1, then in the end of the game will be 3 opponent's dots in the territory of the player 1.

on szkrab i think even was a little different counting.

a long time ago, to close the dots, it was necessary to say "stop" before your own movement, and on szkrab the counting was based on this rules.

for example

1)
if just 6 empty spaces left on the board, and this is player 1 territory, and now is the turn of the player 2, then in the end of the game will be 3 opponent's dots in the territory of the player 1.
last move on the board was for player 1, and was no problem to press the "stop" button.

2)
if just 6 empty spaces left on the board, and this is player 1 territory, and now is the turn of the player 1, then in the end of the game will be 2 opponent's dots in the territory of the player 1.
one empty space will be closed because player 1 could close dots only after pressing the "stop" button before his own move, and that was no possible after the last move of the player 2, because that was the last empty space on the board and end of the game.

3)
if just 7 empty spaces left on the board, and this is player 1 territory, and now is the turn of the player 2, then in the end of the game will be 3 opponent's dots in the territory of the player 1.
one empty space will be closed because player 1 could close dots only after pressing the "stop" button before his own move, and that was no possible after the last move of the player 2, because that was the last empty space on the board and end of the game.

4)
if just 7 empty spaces left on the board, and this is player 1 territory, and now is the turn of the player 1, then in the end of the game will be 3 opponent's dots in the territory of the player 1.
last move on the board was for player 1, and was no problem to press the "stop" button.

after szkrab was long conversation about counting, and on zagram
http://www.kropki.legion.pl/viewtopic.php?t=421
we decide to have possibility to close the opponent dots without pressing "stop" button before own move. now we can do the last closing in the game as if it was the last move in the game.

Volunteer · Dołączył: 16 Lis 2017 Posty: 65 Skąd: Russia

senny_mojrzesz · Wysłany: Wto Gru 12, 2017 7:04 pm Temat postu:

Ok. We have no problem with current Russian rules.
In my private opinion it is interesting evolution from the territory game.
Even if the standard auto-closing rules (soviet classic) was first, we both started from territory rules.

About kropkoliga screens I will try from another way.

I just mean that the rule of our game is also to close the opponent's dots, not to close empty spaces.words "closing and surranding" can have the same meaning in kropkoliga rules, and possible this can confuse a lot. screen from The "territory game" can just looks The same like screens from kropkoliga. That's why for me this is not a proof. It's just possible. in the level which kropkoliga players was representing, may be they just agreed the end of the game with current score or in the many differnt ways. Possible they was playing aswel for standard auto-closing rules when dots was surrounded. But just possible, not for sure.

Baza mean Base
Base you can call only closed dots, not just surrounded.
One of the rule is "you can't make a empty base"
But where is you can't surround empty spaces?
You can surround the empty space, but to make the base you need to wait for opponent move into the surrounded empty space.

And if one of the rule of the game is "game continues to the "last move" simple mean this is a territory game, but scored you can only when you will close the opponent dot or dots.

I have no problem about interview with some polish player.
but if he was playing for auto-closing then territory was important aswel, of course not so important like in the non auto-closing rules, but still was possibility to dominate the game by build trap houses.

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senny_mojrzesz · Wysłany: Sro Gru 13, 2017 9:32 am Temat postu:

I need to play with you then. And show you everything in the game.
Here I see is to many confusing.

In territory game we can't closed empty spaces.
People don't understand a shortcut counting.

I had the pleasure playing with kropkoliga player "kacze wymioty" and you can believe me that I know he did not even realize how many possibilities is in the game.

senny_mojrzesz · Wysłany: Sro Gru 13, 2017 10:17 am Temat postu:

No problem with your interview with polish players. But did someone ask about closing rule?

Was possibility to close just when you want and however you want(not only shortest way)?
or
was auto-closing on shortest way only

Volunteer · Dołączył: 16 Lis 2017 Posty: 65 Skąd: Russia

Volunteer · Dołączył: 16 Lis 2017 Posty: 65 Skąd: Russia

zagram_org · Dołączył: 04 Lut 2013 Posty: 33

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